We agnostics big book study weekends

The big book loop is a study group which has as its mission to provide an additional area of recovery and support to coes who appreciate the aabb,lovingly known as the big book. We have a new site come and check us out thursday night big book study. God will constantly disclose more to you and to us. Suspended we agnostics austin aa hill country intergroup. What about those sanctimonious church goers who judge me for. He did the joe and charlie big book weekends for almost 20 yrs. Others have accused them of making money on these weekends. The preface provides some background on the author and his experience, along with information about the content of the book. This is the third time we have been referred to appendix ii spiritual experience. During any such meeting to study the aa big book, you would expect to encounter a wide variety of viewpoints on the portions under consideration. I mean i understood it intellectually, but what i wasnt getting is it god means anything that is outside the self that has the power to healhelpetc. So far weve listed earlier secular books for we agnostics in aa. Many times we talk to a new man and watch his hope rise as we discuss his alcoholicproblems and explain our fellowship.

We admitted we were licked, that we were powerless over alcohol. The eaa group rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. The target audience for we agnostics is relatively easy to define. In that setting, consider that, over in the corner, sits an old timer who has been around aa for over half a century.

Pages 44 through 57 chapter 4, we agnostics, is truly a remarkable piece of writing. In nearly all cases, their ideals must be grounded in a power greater than themselves, if they are to recreate their lives. Many times we talk to a new man and watch his hope rise as we discuss his alcoholic problems and explain our fellowship. We study the first 103 pages of the big book and when we come to the step instructions we take them together. Many times we talk to a new man and watch his hope rise as we discuss his alcoho lic problems and explain our fellowship. The delegate for southern california area 05, thomas b, is interested in your thoughts on the subject of conference approved literature for agnostics and atheists in aa.

Reading guide for we agnostics amethyst recovery center. This is because we agnostics includes terms such as creative intelligence, which would appear not to gel with the notion that we are allowed to accept the greater scientific universe as the higher power of our choosing. They summarized what they learned from the oxford group in six simple principles. Words contained within the first 164 pages of the big book. A perspective on we agnostics chapter 4 of the big book. Joe and charlie cover the chapter we agnostics from the big book of alcoholics anonymous in such masterly detail. If we are to accept our disease and learn to overcome it, we must accept that. Book study 19 we agnostics 11 by the big book study published on 20160829t21. Alcoholism12 step support a perspective on we agnostics chapter 4 of the big book im not going for this god stuff. The individual sections of this study guide material reflect ideas, emotions and attitudes you might hear from the mouth of that old timer over in the corner. The we agnostics chapter of the big book just got back from a meeting closed discussion where we read this entire chapter and shared on it holy crap what an arrogant, insulting, and condescending way of looking at atheists and agnostics. I have had many spiritual experiences as a result of this approach as have many of the newcomers i. These comments were commonplace when the big book was written in.

Aa speaker turn our will and our lives over to the care of god new 20 duration. Pat is one of the attendees at a saturday morning meeting at the fitchburg serenity club. Big book study walking through the big book of alcoholics anonymous with chris s. Some members believe the big book is the revealed truth from god and all the. One more time i have come to believe that there is in fact a great reality. Aa cofounder bill wilson wrote we agnostics in an attempt to address the issue.

Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading the big book of quotations for atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists. The answers will come, if your own house is in order. For those who have had the willingness to do the heavy lifting of the 12 steps we have come to know that they have depth and weight. With god to illinois,lets start praying again, etc. Aa big book with questions for discussion emotional. I have experienced this process with almost 300 alcoholics and addicts over the past 4 years. Our group supports those who seek freedom from alcohol, while upholding their personal spirituality and philosophy. Sorting and rendering passages in the proprietary format of the 164 and more concordance does not in any way imply affiliation with or endorsement by either alcoholics. In 1977, some members met in a tulsa, ok hotel room for a discussion of the big book. Read a history of agnostics in aa online by roger c books free. The individual sections of this study guide material reflect ideas, emotions and attitudes you might hear from the.

Our goal is to study the steps as a friendly, focused group, and work them as the authors of the big book described. In the big book we find a radical empiricism, applied to religion, with a set of actions offered as an entrance into direct spiritual experience. We confessed or shared our shortcomings with another person in confidence. Both the republication of the god word pamphlet, originally published by aa in great britain, and a request to create a new pamphlet for atheists and agnostics in aa are on the agenda at this years aa. Then why does the chaptor we agnostics insinuate were all agnostic till we find out who god is in our lives and we have to have a spiritual awakening. Big book workbook is for those who are willing to grow along spiritual lines 60. One can now listen to the alcoholics anonymous big book from front to back, or by choosing a chapter. A history of agnostic groups in aa william white papers. M download it once and read it on your kindle device, pc, phones or tablets. After all, this was the era of the red scare with godless commies from russia out to get us. Our origins are the students of the big book group. The big book study our chief responsibility to the. The big book offers these actions without predicting the exact spiritual experience that will result for a given individual, nor does it impose any conceptions upon the reader.

Ask him in your morning meditation what you can do each day for the man who is still sick. A space for aa agnostics, atheists and freethinkers worldwide. The big book of quotations for atheists, agnostics, and. Sep 23, 2019 the steps we took by joe mcq is an excellent look at the 12 steps. One of many good places to begin is in alcoholics anonymous aka the big book, specifically chapter 4, we agnostics. Or pick from one of many of the favorite parts we have singled out on our website. Meeting since january 20, we agnostics group wagdfw of alcoholics. Please be sure to read appendix ii about the spiritual experience. For the record, we have no affililation with gopher state library. It is how joe mcq looks at the steps from the viewpoint of you taking someone through the steps. How could there possibly be a god when there are so many starving people and wars where everybody says god is on their side. We agnostics assignment we have covered the first and second components of the disease of alcoholism.

Working the 12 steps in this is a easytoread and understand workbook, we discover the core issues of the 12 steps and how to work toward making them a daily part of our lives. That means we have written a book which we believe to be spiritual as well as moral. By don m i have been an avid reader of aa agnostica for several years now and even attended the toronto. Aug 24, 2009 we have a new site come and check us out thursday night big book study. Agnostic in big book alcoholics anonymous, 12 steps and 12. In this part of the alcoholics anonymous big book study, joe and charlie discuss the chapter we agnostics this series of talks came about from a friendship that started in alcoholics anonymous. Each quote is followed by alexs thoughts on the topic and a question for the reader to contemplate. Anyone, including atheists, agnostics, humanists and freethinkers can get sober in a. In doing so, the big book also presents a method by which readers can investigate theological questions for themselves. Aa beyond belief provides a space for agnostics, atheists and. Nov 21, 2014 that means we have written a book which we believe to be spiritual as well as moral. His chapter on these steps has excellent information on how to use these steps to change. For many of us that seems to be an impossible task. Big book workshop we agnostics big book step study.

Mar 29, 2018 conference question literature for we agnostics. We have come to know that the big book of alcoholics anonymous has depth and weight. This 1968 book is the story of harry dawes, a modern catholic layman who has lost his faith, and struggles with the questions of existence and belief. We agnostics chapter of the big book religious forums. This misconception extends to 12based treatment centers, who are accused of brainwashing their patients rather than treating a disease. In essence, the chapter emphasizes that all drunks come into aa as agnostics and godless but, over time, they rid themselves of that ridiculous concept and see the path towards a higher power code speak for the more commonly used word god. We agnostics, a playlist by the big book study from desktop or your mobile device. And it means, of course, that we are going to talk about god. Big book weekend 2006 xaspeakers the lights are on. Mar 09, 2012 there is a chapter in the aa big book titled we agnostics. Meeting since january 20, we agnostics group wagdfw of alcoholics anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who offer experience, strength and hope to the recovering alcoholic.

We agnostics group of aa meets three times a week in highland park welcome to those. Its understandable that no mention of atheists would be made in the 1955 forward. I have had many spiritual experiences as a result of this approach as have many of the newcomers i have worked with. We hope we have made clear the distinction between the alcoholic and the nonalcoholic. Bernard basset is a jesuit, and the author of many other books such as we neurotics,born for friendship. Well, reading and discussing this chapter plus a reading we discussed in the abstinence book in my meeting saturday helped me to find the spiritual aspect of abstinence. The book carry this message is a companion to the steps we took. There is a chapter in the aa big book titled we agnostics. By the very act of critiquing chapter 4, we agnostics, i admittedly commit aa heresy. In the preceding chapters you have learned something of alcoholism.

Chapter 4 we agnostics page 40 for either case, atheist or agnostic, we are going to have to find some way to have this spiritual experience, and to use this power greater than human power. Taken from the book alcoholics anonymous frequently called the big book. Oct 12, 2017 one of many good places to begin is in alcoholics anonymous aka the big book, specifically chapter 4, we agnostics. Religious in big book alcoholics anonymous, 12 steps and. According to the big book, when we speak of god, what do we mean. The big book would advise you, however, not to be too perturbed by these references.

An aa taper made a four tape set of their presentation and called it the big book study. The big book of quotations for atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists kindle edition by probulos, i. It sounds like they are trying to convert me to something. May 21, 2008 in its chapter, we agnostics, the big book outlines its attitude toward spiritual and religious matters. Of course the name we agnostics is also a chapter in the big book. Joe and charlies we agnostics big book step study my. The big book step study bbss format, based upon an aa meeting format originated in hyannis, mass.

The big book study our chief responsibility to the newcomer is an adequate presentation of the program home. Chapter 4 we agnostics page 41 notice the asterisk at the bottom of the page. Four short years before writing this chapter, the principal author, bill w. Many aa agnostics have found these books to be useful and enlightening. I thought it had to be done precisely as laid out in the big book, and although bill w. Blog big book step study big book revealed big book.

Jul 16, 2015 joe and charlie cover the chapter we agnostics from the big book of alcoholics anonymous in such masterly detail. Oct 05, 2014 i thought it had to be done precisely as laid out in the big book, and although bill w. He started the joe and charlie big book study weekends in 1980 and brought the message to so many. The forward ends with a a note of humility that we dont have all the answers, but we hope that we can help. I also dont approve of the big book saying i dont know who god is. I guess i was a bit of a fundamentalist at the time and feared that it wouldnt work if i didnt follow directions exactly. The 164 and more book, ebook, and web site are all concordances which display passages from the big book alcoholics anonymous, the twelve steps and twelve traditions, and the a. You can marathon through the book in a weekend or savor it a few pages a week until completed. For oa members who want to thoroughly explore the big book from beginning to end we would be happy to have you join us. To one who feels he is an atheist or agnostic such an experience seems. We wish to make the 12 steps of alcoholics anonymous part of our. Just stop drinking, exercise some willpower, think of all you have to live for and what you have to lose.